Don't miss new Big Think videos! Subscribe by clicking here: http://goo.gl/CPTsV5 Evolution is the fundamental idea in all of life science, in all of biology. According to Bill Nye, aka "the science guy," if grownups want to "deny evolution and live in your world that's completely inconsistent with everything we observe in the universe, that's fine, but don't make your kids do it because we need them." -- Transcript: Denial of evolution is unique to the United States. I mean, we're the world's most advanced technological—I mean, you could say Japan—but generally, the United States is where most of the innovations still happens. People still move to the United States. And that's largely because of the intellectual capital we have, the general understanding of science. When you have a portion of the population that doesn't believe in that, it holds everybody back, really. Evolution is the fundamental idea in all of life science, in all of biology. It's like, it's very much analogous to trying to do geology without believing in tectonic plates. You're just not going to get the right answer. Your whole world is just going to be a mystery instead of an exciting place. As my old professor, Carl Sagan, said, "When you're in love you want to tell the world." So, once in a while I get people that really—or that claim—they don't believe in evolution. And my response generally is "Well, why not? Really, why not?" Your world just becomes fantastically complicated when you don't believe in evolution. I mean, here are these ancient dinosaur bones or fossils, here is radioactivity, here are distant stars that are just like our star but they're at a different point in their lifecycle. The idea of deep time, of this billions of years, explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your world view just becomes crazy, just untenable, itself inconsistent. And I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, in your world that's completely inconsistent with everything we observe in the universe, that's fine, but don't make your kids do it because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need people that can—we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems. It's just really hard a thing, it's really a hard thing. You know, in another couple of centuries that world view, I'm sure, will be, it just won't exist. There's no evidence for it. Directed / Produced by Jonathan Fowler and Elizabeth Rodd
Atharkas: It's cute how this forum's main reality denialist (who hides under the guise of several accounts because otherwise random passerby would realize she is all alone spouting nonsense) keeps making numerous false claims but never backs them up!
Mutations are against evolution! (And she then runs away when pointed that they are a mechanism of evolution)
Natural selection cannot act unless a mutation happens! (Every single lifeforms have mutations that do not come from the lifeform's parent)
The cambrian explosion makes evolution false (Apparently, for her, a 40 millions years period makes evolution false despite the entire scientific community having no problem at all with it.)
Lifeforms are designed! (Mutations contradict that claim from the get go, no designer would make such a flaw)
The origin of life is an intelligent designer that is immaterial! (Bullshit claim that is just creationism in a bad disguise. Plus, you know, there is no evidence of immaterial things)
Of course, when asked to back up her claims, she'll run away with her tail between her legs only to spam the same nonsense a few hours later, hoping to flood the forum to give an impression there is a debate about evolution (while there is none in science about its validity as an explanation for the diversity of life).
Philip Rudge: "I would defend the liberty of consenting adult creationists to practice whatever intellectual perversions they like in the privacy of their own homes; but it is also necessary to protect the young and innocent." - Arthur C. Clarke
jebstuart: Life is an emergent property. Aristotle, Da Vinci, Foucalt and Nietzsche agree. Christians agree. Secularists agree. Giggles says she doesn't. She wants to be seen as the lonely voice of reason. The ...ahem ..."winner". (WInner of what is anyone's guess)
jebstuart: Natural selection is continuously at work. It works on phenotypic variation which is caused by genetic diversity through mutation. It is this unfeeling merciless process that has the insecure mysteriologists worried - how could life be so unplanned and unguided? You can smell the fear.
Spinko Kerplinko: The pressuring of a clever predator If you're losing you'er losing
One might not have the capacity to realize the difference win and lose
And so the hunter sleep's. Yes the hunter must sleep.
A registered member of the actual Guild? A made up story? Time shall tell all and nothing without meaning. Tell all nothing is a weird weird place, a place not found among the common spirit's.
Spinko Kerplinko: Pixie's are the world's most accomplished trouble maker's as they shall not be ignored, are grumpy man snored!!!! They do not wish to hear of this evolutionary theory conversationally.
Wolf 1.0: +ergonomover: Sorry, but natural selection is inert unless and until a novel phenotype confers a reproductive or survival advantage - something, by the way, accidental, random, chance, haphazard, and unpredictable molecular mistakes can't accomplish.
Wolf 1.0: Origin of life investigators have never demonstrated any experimental basis for the capacity of simple prebiotic chemistry to spontaneously synthesize cybernetic molecular machines such as ATP Synthase that would have been FUNDAMENTALLY NECESSARY for life to begin on earth. Without ATP as an energy source, gene expression cannot occur and life cannot exist.
Hydrogen Peroxide: The 'facts on evolution' that drives skepticism of this pitiful 'theory' through the roof are none better represented by the reality that it holds to the pretense of explaining the breathtaking disparity and diversity of the fossil record by appealing to...
...accidental, chance, random, haphazard, and unpredictable molecular events know as DNA mutations.
Hydrogen Peroxide: The 💣 Cambrian explosion 💥 nicely and permanently refutes/falsifies Darwinian biological evolution.
Nicholas Christie-Blick: James Solis is a troll. I choose not to waste time responding to trolls and socks. The facts on evolution are readily available. Denying, misrepresenting and lying about science, or in James's case, refusing to become informed, have no bearing on the science.
The science of evolution has been settled for decades at any level relevant to those cutting and pasting text from creationist websites. There is no debate, merely a rearguard action to defend beliefs that were long ago shown not to be true. The research frontiers are far beyond what such people can grasp.
Wolf 1.0: +ergonomover: Still waiting for you to disclose your plan to go from bacteria living in hydrothermal vents to Myllokunmingia, Wiwaxia, Anomalocaris, etc.?
Wolf 1.0: +ergonomover: "Novel phenotypes occur as a result of radiation incidents and copy errors which we all agree are random." Birth defects and sterile offspring are novel phenotypes, ergonomover. What YOU need to do is demonstrate the –supposed- link between random, accidental, chance, and unpredictable molecular events and the staggering, breathtaking morphological diversity and disparity in the FOSSIL RECORD.
Hydrogen Peroxide: +Nicholas Christie-Blick: "Research published over the past 30 years or so has demonstrated a remarkable record of pre-Cambrian ancestors to Cambrian life."
You will now construct a cladogram naming an Ediacaran and ending with Myllokunmingia. Have fun. 😈
Hydrogen Peroxide: "No, an Intelligent Designer could have been responsible for the origin of life on the planet. Evolution still happens regardless." Wow! So you're now a self-styled expert on what "Intelligent Designers DO (create life on earth) and DON'T DO (intelligently diversify the biosphere)." Can I try the stuff you're smoking, Graham?
Necromonger Nation: +jebstuart: Thanks for agreeing that life only emerges as a property from the matter and energy in a presently living organism. You can, therefore, NOT use 'life is an emergent property' in the context of abiogenesis. I win, you lose. Again.
Necromonger Nation: OOL science cannot ever escape the paradox that you need DNA to make proteins, but you need proteins to make DNA. No plea bargaining, no substitutes, no bending the space-time continuum.
IT IS WHAT IT IS.
ergonomover: “I would defend the liberty of consenting adult creationists to practice whatever intellectual perversions they like in the privacy of their own homes; but it is also necessary to protect the young and innocent. ”
― Arthur C. Clarke
Spinko Kerplinko: Hmmmm So you can't actually have breakfast at Tiffany's, who new
Spinko Kerplinko: Time is about as deep as the end Yes the deep end of time You know it is the end as you are in deep. Fuck'n moron's I talk'n to fuck'n moron's. Hungry? Take a bite, there is nothing finite about the female inquisitor Time is measured meaningfully without meaning there is no man time. Without she time there is meaning in everything which is just a singular emotion ocean out of proper context. What it is not is chaotic fuck up chuck.
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